Benjamin Steenkamer

General Information

Mazda Original Equipment Parts

Mazda Dealership Websites

Various OE Websites

Various OE parts websites (places that sell OE parts for many different brands) will usually have cheaper prices than Mazda dealership websites. The issue is that they are likely to not have the part in stock even when they claim it is. They also take a longer time to ship out the parts versus dealer websites.

OBD2 Readers and Software

FORScan / FORScan Lite (Recommend)

Car Ramps

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DTC U0101 Transmission Control Module (TCM) Failure

TODO

Mazda ATF M-V (Type M5)

Idemitsu M vs. Mazda M5 ATFs

On the label for Mazda M5 ATF (part number 0000-77-112E-01), it states it is manufactured by Idemitsu Lubricants America Corporation. Idemitsu also makes their own M5 compatible ATF, Idemitsu Type M ATF. I was hoping I could get the identical ATF from the OEM because it is cheaper than the Mazda branded ATF. After emailing ILAC, it turns out Idemitsu branded and Mazda branded ATF formulations are NOT the same. Below in a transcript of my initial email and the official response from ILAC:

Hello,
I was hoping any differences between Mazda branded Type M5 ATF (Mazda part # 0000-77-112E-01) and Idemitsu branded Type M ATF could be explained.
On the label for Mazda branded M-V (Type M5) ATF, it states it is manufactured by Idemitsu Lubricants America Corporation. Are there any differences between the Mazda M5 ATF made by Idemitsu and Idemitsu M ATF? Are they identical formulations?
Thank you.
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From: Wolff, Alec <awolff[dot]1478[at]idemitsu[dot]com>
Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: **** Idemitsu Type M vs. Mazda M5 ATF
To: [me]

Hello,
And thank you for contacting Idemitsu Lubricants America.
Our aftermarket branded product was formulated based on the proper research and development done to create OE branded product. So, the formulations are not exactly the same.
Please, let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

Alec Wolff | アレック ウォルフ
Technical Sales Manager
Aftermarket

Idemitsu Lubricants America Corp.
3000 Town Center, Suite 2820
Southfield, MI 48075

I interpret this response as meaning Idemitsu created their Type M ATF formula to meet the specifications of Mazda’s M5, but they probably aren’t allowed to use the exact proprietary formula from Mazda’s M5 (even though Idemitsu has to know the exact formula, since they make it). On one hand, the Mazda M5 is only about $2/quart more versus Idemitsu M, so if you really care about the exact formula, buy the Mazda M5. If price is really an issue, the Idemitsu M ATF is probably very close to Mazda’s formula, but possibly not as good in some way. This is based on the assumption that Mazda’s M5 is the most ideal formulation for Mazda transmissions and anything else is less than ideal. I have no proof of this, so I suppose the two could be identical for the vast majority of operating conditions. You would need to do a lot of testing and chemical analysis on both brands to prove this, including sending samples to a place like Blackstone Laboratories.

In terms of other aftermarket ATFs, I’m currently aware of only one other brand besides Idemitsu that claims to be solely compatible with Mazda M5 (not a multi-vehicle formula). That is Beck/Arnley Premium Automatic Transmission Fluid for Type M5. I have not used this ATF and haven’t done any research on it. I also haven’t seen many people online recommending this over Mazda M5 or Idemitsu M. I have used Beck/Arnley FL-22 compatible coolant in the past, and it seems to be working well. I have no experience with this ATF, but the company seems to make decent aftermarket products that meet OE specifications.

My final opinion on the issue is buy Mazda M5 for the most ideal product, then Idemitsu M if you can’t find Mazda M5 for a good price. Whatever you do, don’t use the “multi-vehicle” ATFs. You need an ATF the meets the exact friction characteristics defined in the Mazda M5 specification. Idemitsu M ATF claims to do this and is recommended by others many times online. Multi-vehicle ATFs, while even cheaper, will have a very broad range to accommodate many transmissions, so I don’t trust them to protect and maintain performance in my Mazda transmission in the long term.